tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8590322.post3380059295910670392..comments2023-09-24T03:09:02.536-05:00Comments on Grace For Life: How Were Old Testament Believers Saved? (Transcript)Terry Rayburnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00722632954331009294noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8590322.post-22852423206417693892015-08-11T00:50:07.692-05:002015-08-11T00:50:07.692-05:00Thanks for sharing this blog with us. I really app...Thanks for sharing this blog with us. I really appreaciated your effort to published this article.If you have time, please visit my site @ www.imarksweb.org<br /><br /><br /><a href="http://www.imarksweb.org" rel="nofollow">Rica</a>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03983279751843228358noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8590322.post-53500013402813557732013-09-12T17:44:28.449-05:002013-09-12T17:44:28.449-05:00Hebrew children in the Old Testament were born int...Hebrew children in the Old Testament were born into God's covenant, both male and female. Circumcision was the sign of this covenant for boys, but the sign was not what saved them. Faith saved them. Rejecting the sign, circumcision, for boys, either by the parents or later as an adult himself, was a sign of a lack of true faith, and therefore the child was "cut off" from God's promises as clearly stated in Genesis chapter 17:<br /><br /> "Every male among you shall be circumcised. 11 You shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskins, and it shall be a sign of the covenant between me and you. 12 He who is eight days old among you shall be circumcised. Every male throughout your generations, whether born in your house or bought with your money from any foreigner who is not of your offspring, 13 both he who is born in your house and he who is bought with your money, shall surely be circumcised. So shall my covenant be in your flesh an everlasting covenant. 14 Any uncircumcised male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin shall be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.”<br /><br />What was the purpose of this covenant with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob? God tells us in the beginning of this chapter of Genesis:<br /><br />"And I will establish my covenant between me and you and your offspring after you throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and to your offspring after you." <br /><br /> This covenant wasn't just to establish a Jewish national identity or a promise of the inheritance of the land of Caanan, as some evangelicals want you to believe. In this covenant, God promises to be their God. Does God say here that he will be their God only if they make a "decision for God" when they are old enough to have the intelligence and maturity to decide for themselves? No! They are born into the covenant!<br /><br /> If Jewish children grew up trusting in God and lived by faith, they then received eternal life when they died. If when they grew up, they rejected God, turned their back on God, and lived a life of willful sin, when they died, they suffered eternal damnation. Salvation was theirs to LOSE. There is no record anywhere in the Bible that Jewish children were required to make a one time "decision for God" upon reaching an "Age of Accountability" in order to be saved.<br /><br /> Therefore Jewish infants who died, even before circumcision, were saved.<br /> <br /> The same is true today. Christian children are born into the covenant. They are saved by faith. It is not the act of baptism that saves, it is faith. The refusal to be baptized is a sign of a lack of true faith and may result in the child being "cut off" from God's promise of eternal life, to suffer eternal damnation, as happened with the unfaithful Hebrew in the OT.<br /><br /> Christ said, "He that believes and is baptized will be saved, but he that does not believe will be damned."<br /><br />It is not the lack of baptism that damns, it is the lack of faith that damns. <br /><br />Gary<br />Luther, Baptists, and Evangelicals <br />An orthodox Lutheran blogGaryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02519721717265344702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8590322.post-44898943291347042922012-05-11T07:32:01.254-05:002012-05-11T07:32:01.254-05:00Thank you Gail. Blessings to you and yours too.Thank you Gail. Blessings to you and yours too.Terry Rayburnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00888533194435826837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8590322.post-36188946271732017432012-05-04T07:15:57.043-05:002012-05-04T07:15:57.043-05:00This is such a great response to this question, ea...This is such a great response to this question, easy to follow and understand. My home fellowship last night was pondering this very question and we were left with the"assignment" of answering it. You have made my work very easy. Thank you and may the Lord bless you!gail elizabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06917709784638318166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8590322.post-35630632123285433292011-10-05T03:40:08.349-05:002011-10-05T03:40:08.349-05:00I have to disagree with you on the missing "n...I have to disagree with you on the missing "no change of heart" in the OT. <br />Psalm 51:15-17 <br /><br /> 15 O Lord, open thou my lips; and my mouth shall shew forth thy praise.<br /><br /> 16 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering.<br /><br /> 17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.<br /><br />Ezekiel 18:30-32<br /><br /> 30 Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.<br /><br /> 31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?<br /><br /> 32 For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8590322.post-88438878791643021512009-07-20T03:34:20.513-05:002009-07-20T03:34:20.513-05:00Great article!
Would like to have more references...Great article!<br /><br />Would like to have more references to Bible, when you say some or other idea!<br /><br /><br />How would you explain, that in OT God also forgives the sins. At least Bible says that. <br /><br />So Heb.letter in NT says sins can not be forgiven by goat's blood, but Lev.5:10; 5:13; 5:18. says sins are forgiven?<br /><br />What is your answer to that Terry?mr.feb.ru@gmail.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13799754344360573753noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8590322.post-67163767196620189692009-07-02T09:25:28.039-05:002009-07-02T09:25:28.039-05:00hannibalian,
Thanks, and may God bless you by alw...hannibalian,<br /><br />Thanks, and may God bless you by always working in you to have that attitutde.<br /><br />TerryTerry Rayburnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00888533194435826837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8590322.post-39731718883320739582009-07-01T14:42:56.500-05:002009-07-01T14:42:56.500-05:00Terry,
Thanks for the thorough and helpful post. ...Terry,<br /><br />Thanks for the thorough and helpful post. It's a beautiful thing to really wrestle with things like this from Scripture's point of view and not simply from our systematics and theological grids. Much appreciation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8590322.post-30373639477541289802009-03-09T22:09:00.000-05:002009-03-09T22:09:00.000-05:00Mrs. Lindblom,Your welcome. Thanks for stopping b...Mrs. Lindblom,<BR/><BR/>Your welcome. Thanks for stopping by.Terry Rayburnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00888533194435826837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8590322.post-40642109719963618292009-03-09T13:22:00.000-05:002009-03-09T13:22:00.000-05:00I stumbled upon this blog post through a Google se...I stumbled upon this blog post through a Google search. I'm so glad I did! I have been searching Scriptures and praying that God would open my eyes and give me wisdom to this mystery of how believers in the Old Testament were redeemed for weeks now. I just haven't been able to wrap my mind around it. This article so clearly spelled it out for me. Thank you so much!Sarahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09642443725317007012noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8590322.post-40846338663764231042008-04-05T21:22:00.000-05:002008-04-05T21:22:00.000-05:00Thanks so much, Anna, for your comments.Thanks so much, Anna, for your comments.Terry Rayburnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00888533194435826837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8590322.post-27960986854094438702008-04-05T14:54:00.000-05:002008-04-05T14:54:00.000-05:00Terry,Thank you for putting this out there. It is ...Terry,<BR/>Thank you for putting this out there. It is beautifully inspiring. I have heard many different opinions of this over the years, but I feel you have said it best. I believe the Holy Spirit truly led you in sharing this.<BR/>Anna<BR/>http://annasversatilewriting.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8590322.post-7441821520738812932008-04-03T00:19:00.000-05:002008-04-03T00:19:00.000-05:00Thanks, Caleb. I enjoyed your blog, too. Keep up...Thanks, Caleb. I enjoyed your blog, too. Keep up the good work.<BR/><BR/>Blessings,<BR/>TerryTerry Rayburnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00888533194435826837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8590322.post-65748603469736530042008-04-02T17:43:00.000-05:002008-04-02T17:43:00.000-05:00Praise God!Great blog post...It's amazing to think...Praise God!<BR/><BR/>Great blog post...<BR/><BR/>It's amazing to think that:<BR/><BR/>1. OT people were saved by grace not works...<BR/>2. NT people were saved by grace not works...<BR/>3. Yet, most Christians want to start living the "Christian life" by WORKS -- not Grace!<BR/><BR/>To quote Paul, "you foolish Galatians..." :)<BR/><BR/>Anyways, I like your blog so far, you should check mine out! greatchristianlife dot com - I think you'll like it...<BR/><BR/>With Love,<BR/>Caleb<BR/>http://www.greatchristianlife.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com